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Post by HeadMarshal on Nov 17, 2014 16:07:04 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 17, 2014 16:11:34 GMT -5
It's so frustrating right now though. It's exciting The Hunt got their first "living" direct capture. But at the same time, we still don't know where Mary is. I didn't know it was possible for Kelley to look even worse after surrendering, but is she really that determined to spite her husband that she STILL won't even say where Mary is, even after voluntarily going into custody? She really needs to spit out where Mary is. I am happy and ecstatic and this result, but absolutely disgusted with Genevieve that she won't say where her daughter is. She's still being selfish as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Nov 17, 2014 16:13:08 GMT -5
Not only are Mary Nunes's whereabouts unknown but so are the whereabouts of Scott Kelley. The question is, did Scott eventually split up with Genevieve or is Mary with him?
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 17, 2014 16:19:25 GMT -5
I really hate letting one "get away" but I think at this point even Mark probably only cares about getting Mary back as long as Scott didn't harm her while and if she was living with him.
It is a good question, especially considering The Hunt did not mention Scott at all on the tv airing, just the website.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 19, 2014 9:59:58 GMT -5
We have our captured photo of Genevieve Kelley. I'm still trying to get what she thinks she's accomplishing by turning herself in. Usually as horrible as their crimes may have been, I usually praise fugitives for doing the right thing and surrendering- allowing them to defend themselves in a court of law and trying to provide closure to a case. But Dr. Kelley waits until Mary turns 18, no longer subject to family court, tries to start a surrender conversation but only finally does after her case is aired again on a national crime show, and now won't say where her daughter is. I am more pissed off at her than I was before. Mary at 18 is free to do whatever she pleases, as sad as it may be if she doesn't want to see her father again. The only catch is she can't be with Scott Kelley since regardless of how well he took or is taking care of her, he is still wanted for kidnapping. But she can live on her own, with a boyfriend, or anyone else if it pleases her. But the problem is we don't know WHERE Mary is. If I'm interviewing Dr. Kelley, I'm asking her to give me some proof Mary is still alive. Let her Skype with authorities from Brazil or wherever she is or something. If Dr. Kelley wants a deal for less prison time, you'd think she'd say where Mary is. Her lawyer is saying something about her wanting to be vindicated first. Unless Mary shows up to testify on her behalf, it's going to be hard to vindicate herself. Ugh, this is so frustrating.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 30, 2014 3:05:41 GMT -5
Just saw the re-peat of the Kelley episode and they update on the screen at the end. The Hunt interestingly didn't say Genevieve surrendered as a result of seeing her profile but did say she surrendered. (I still will count this as unofficial direct since John Walsh himself said she surrendered after seeing it on social media. As I said, our Hunt direct capture directory is not the official one. It's just captures we believe they'd take credit for if they had a capture counter). The show also repeats Genevieve's lawyer's claim that Mary will show up at her trial to testify on her behalf.
I think they still could have provided The Hunt number at the end since the case is still unresolved and Scott Kelley is technically wanted (is he still?), but we'll now wait and see if Mary actually shows up.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 30, 2014 9:54:54 GMT -5
P.S. Watch the segment at 32:21 for the next minute. That is clearly John Walsh's voice-over from the AMW airings! Clever editing!
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 4, 2014 10:55:18 GMT -5
I read on the Klein Investigations Twitter page Kelley was release on 50,000 dollars bail! She was not deemed a flight risk, despite being on the run for 10 years.
Also, there's actually a Facebook page set up to support Genevieve. I get it some of them knew her. But they get so many things wrong. They say Genevieve "had custody". That is true but she LOST it when she INTERFERED with the custody arrangement and left New Hampshire without telling anyone and without permission.
While we don't know what was said on the tape, what we do know from the Detective on The Hunt is that NOT ONCE did Mary Nunes say anything bad about Mark Nunes on that tape. Sadly, we don't know how well Genevieve has brainwashed Mary now, if she's even still alive, which we don't have proof of other than a promise she'll show up for her trial.
I'm really sick of people assuming the mother was right in these cases just because she was the mother. There are good and bad mothers and fathers and what really matters are the facts of each case.
As I said in the Dara Llorens case, this site's main goal is to protect women and children. However, it's amazingly hypocritical the father is never afforded the same assumption of innocence the mothers who take these children always are. I know if the roles had been reversed and Mark Nunes had kidnapped Mary, I'd be just as harsh on him as I am on Genevieve. Everyone else can't say the same.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 10, 2014 10:02:57 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 19, 2014 16:45:53 GMT -5
Update: Genevieve Kelley back in jail. Judge rules Mary Nunes can't legally be "forced out" of hiding to undergo a psychological evaluation: LANCASTER, N.H. (AP) — A woman who was accused of fleeing with her daughter to Central America in a custody dispute 10 years ago and recently returned home was sent back to jail Thursday to await trial. Genevieve Kelley returned to New Hampshire last month to face a custodial-interference charge in Coos County. She won't say where her daughter, 18-year-old Mary Nunes, is but says she's safe. Kelley, a family practice doctor, had been free after posting $50,000 bail this month. But a judge re-set bail at $250,000 cash Thursday after a prosecutor raised questions about whether she has failed to turn over passports she may hold in other names. One of her lawyers, Alan Rosenfeld, said if there were such passports, "she has the right to not present evidence against herself." He said she's in court of her own will and wants to face a jury trial. Judge Peter Bornstein, in ruling for the higher bail, said he found the defense's "bobbing and weaving" over the passport issue "extremely disturbing." The judge denied County Attorney John McCormick's request to order that Nunes be brought out of hiding and forced to undergo a psychological evaluation and treatment free from her mother's influence. The judge said that he doesn't have the authority to force her to undergo a psychological evaluation but that he would rule separately if a motion were made to produce her for questioning by prosecutors. Kelley, of Whitefield, is under orders to have no contact with her daughter. Defense lawyer John McKinnon said the prosecutor has no legal basis to support the request. McKinnon said in a motion an 18-year-old can't be forced to appear before the court "without her even being accused of having committed a crime or being a threat to herself or anyone else." In October 2003, Kelley canceled a daughter-father visit and reported to the state Division of Children, Youth and Families that Nunes was abused by her father. Police and state investigators felt he was unfairly accused, and he was never charged. By November 2004, Kelley had moved to Colorado with her daughter, and they were ordered to appear for an evaluation but never showed up. McCormick said Kelley fled with her 8-year-old daughter amid the litigation over the visitation schedule with Mark Nunes, the child's father and Kelley's ex-husband. The following December, Mark Nunes was given custody of his daughter, but she had already disappeared with her mother. The U.S. Marshals Service said they went to Guatemala, then Honduras, the last confirmed sighting. Kelley was indicted in 2005. In a letter sent to McCormick this year, Kelley said she worked with the family court system to no avail. "I violated a family court custody decision in order to protect my daughter from a greater harm," she wrote. Nunes last saw his daughter when she was 7, and he hopes to reunite with her. "I want you to remember that we love you, and I want you to know something new — and that is that you're free, that nobody can tell you what to do," Nunes said in an online video for her after her mother turned herself in. www.scnow.com/news/national/wire/article_148e3a57-d92b-5d7a-97ea-3bcb67f34234.html
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Post by Scumhunter on Jan 8, 2015 9:27:48 GMT -5
And now Genevieve is out of jail again thanks to her friends making her bail. I also want to clarify my frustrations in this case. I am willing to be open minded and wait for the trial to hear the whole truth. She's still entitled to a presumption of innocence in a criminal trial even though I've been fairly critical of some of her actions morally. My frustration is not that but the fact that EVERY time a mother abducts her child, people always assume it's for noble reasons, When that is obviously not always the case. So while Genevieve is entitled to a presumption of innocence, so is Mark Nunes. He's entitled to not being assumed to be a child abuser, liar, etc. until the trial as well. That's been my whole point. So although that hasn't happened here yet, reading the comments on other articles and pages, before anyone starts telling me about how Dr. Kelley was just doing what she thought was best for the daughter, etc. etc. don't assume and make judgments. That's not my point. It's about the hypocrisy towards the fathers in general when it comes to these type of cases (and for the record I usually think women are the ones whose rights are way more often neglected), whether this case turns out to be an example of it or not. Of course the fact still remains Genevieve did leave the country with her daughter without permission. That part is indisputable even if the reasons may be. And of course I'm also still frustrated Mary's whereabouts are still unknown, and I still worry about whether or not she's still alive until the day I read that she's been located. www.people.com/article/fugitive-mom-genevieve-kelly-released-on-bail
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Post by HeadMarshal on Jan 8, 2015 15:07:51 GMT -5
What especially worries me about this case is that there are online commenters that are actually in support of Kelley and believe that Mary was being abused. The allegations against Mary's father were proven to have no evidence regarding it so why are people agreeing with Genevieve. What also concerns me that since Genevieve is no longer with Mary, that her supporters seem to be okay with Mary being with Scott Kelley. We actually have no idea as to where either Scott and Mary are.
I'll say this, I hate violence against women and girls, and it's a huge problem globally. That doesn't excuse women from committing serious crimes by claiming she was just trying to protect her child(ren).
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Post by Scumhunter on Jan 23, 2015 11:15:50 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Jan 23, 2015 18:53:55 GMT -5
Should also be noted the repeat is scheduled for tonight at 1 AMET/11 PM PT on CNN. A bit late but there's always someone watching tv around that hour, hopefully tonight it will be one that can bring Mary home.
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 4, 2015 20:58:56 GMT -5
A Judge has ruled that Mary Nunes will be allowed to be questioned by prosecutors. Dr. Kelley's defense lawyer wanted her to make a videotaped statement (because Mary making statements on videotape without anyone present to question anything has worked out SO WELL for her mother in the past (to quote Homer Simpson- in case you couldn't tell- I was being sarcastic.) The Judge ruled the Prosecution can speak to Mary and get a pre-trial statement but how and where that happen since she hasn't been located yet is another story. It does rather amaze me that Genevieve is still using the packaged videotape playbook even a decade after one that backfired. Once again, if Mary's even still alive. I think she is but despite all this talk we don't have proof. Show me proof. www.wmur.com/news/judge-says-girl-missing-for-10-years-can-be-questioned/31096626
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