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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Oct 15, 2017 19:25:35 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 15, 2017 23:32:52 GMT -5
Interesting.
Like said before not much that can be done however.
Kind of ironic with Russia being such a big topic in the news lately lol.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Oct 15, 2017 23:34:53 GMT -5
Decided to post that as there hasn’t been an update or news related to the Slob in awhile Lol
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 16, 2017 0:16:50 GMT -5
Lol I still wouldn't want to call a guy who's allegedly the head of a Russian mob a slob (hey that rhymes) but yeah he is kinda heavy set and it's not that I don't care- he should be criminally prosecuted for his alleged criminal activities if he was ever somehow arrested- it's just unfortunately for the time being arrested is virtually impossible while he's still in Russia.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 18, 2017 2:29:55 GMT -5
I’ve been looking at Twitter lately and all I see when I search the FBI Top Ten aside from the recent additions, they’re about Semion Mogilevich and how his removal were possible because people in the administration made it possible. It’s been nearly 2 years (wow time flies) and where were they when Mogilevich was Removed?,not a single peep until Russia became the whole blame for everything going on in the country.
In case people stumble across this thread here are a few things I want to clear up.
Semion Mogilevich was Removed on December 17, 2015 because he no longer met the criteria for the FBI Top Ten because during his time on the list from 2009-2015, public tips didn’t lead to his capture and the fact that he was in a country that wouldn’t send him back because we don’t have an extradition treaty was the reason why they removed him.
Mogilevich was replaced by Myloh Mason, a Colorado bank robber, who was caught 29 day later. A man who could have been brought in due to the public.
The FBI Ten Most Wanted isn’t a political tool, but a fugitive publicity and search tool, and Mogilevich doesn’t fit the bill for the list.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 18, 2017 2:53:22 GMT -5
Mogilevich was removed during the Obama administration for clarity as some will think it's Trump's because of the controversy from the election. (I'd rather not get too political on here but I think I have seen Mogilevich's name come up in articles about Paul Manafort- this is not to bring up a political opinion- just highlighting how Mogilevich is still playing a role in modern political drama).
I would agree though Mogilevich made no sense on the list because Russia wouldn't extradite, no matter who the President is/was.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Mar 7, 2019 4:03:20 GMT -5
I was reflecting on this case earlier today. The only ways the FBI can consider this manhunt solved is if Mogilevich succumbs to any ill health, gets slain himself, has his body found and identified, or lands himself a life sentence on newer charges in another country, right?
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 7, 2019 5:23:36 GMT -5
I was reflecting on this case earlier today. The only ways the FBI can consider this manhunt solved is if Mogilevich succumbs to any ill health, gets slain himself, has his body found and identified, or lands himself a life sentence on newer charges in another country, right? Pretty much for the time being I guess |
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Post by ninja108 on Mar 8, 2019 20:44:41 GMT -5
Mogilevich was removed during the Obama administration for clarity as some will think it's Trump's because of the controversy from the election. (I'd rather not get too political on here but I think I have seen Mogilevich's name come up in articles about Paul Manafort- this is not to bring up a political opinion- just highlighting how Mogilevich is still playing a role in modern political drama). I would agree though Mogilevich made no sense on the list because Russia wouldn't extradite, no matter who the President is/was. It still drives me nuts that he was ever put on there since they knew that fact from day one. What was the point of wasting that spot? |
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Post by 912thamwuser on May 29, 2019 23:10:47 GMT -5
I have to get a feel for how easily we'd know something. Yudkovich-Mogilevich is in his early 70s, weighed close to 300 lbs at the time AMW introduced him, and smoked cigars, which, granted, deal only half the damage of a heavily-processed American cigarette, and is hiding out somewhere whose health care might not necessarily be as good as Northern, Eastern, or NE Europe. If Yudkovich-Mogilevich succumbed to obesity, emphysema, coronary heart disease by the end of the year, or any other illness he could've contracted in the past decade, how big of a news story would it be?
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 29, 2019 23:21:37 GMT -5
I have to get a feel for how easily we'd know something. Yudkovich-Mogilevich is in his early 70s, weighed close to 300 lbs at the time AMW introduced him, and smoked cigars, which, granted, deal only half the damage of a heavily-processed American cigarette, and is hiding out somewhere whose health care might not necessarily be as good as Northern, Eastern, or NE Europe. If Yudkovich-Mogilevich succumbed to obesity, emphysema, coronary heart disease by the end of the year, or any other illness he could've contracted in the past decade, how big of a news story would it be? It would make huge news here for sure since he was a former FBI Top Ten Fugitive. Mogilevich would be portrayed as an “embattled Businessman” by the Russian media, but a “white collar crook” in Western Media. I feel Mogilevich would actually get decent care in Russia since he has a ton of money, he’s allegedly connected to the oligarchs in charge, so for him to get decent health care is likely. As left leaning as I am, you will have pundits asking why was Mogilevich bumped from the FBI Top Ten or who lobbied for it and if the day comes that Mogilevich dies honestly it’ll be annoying if they push that question since Mogilevich, as bad as he is, wasn’t a good choice for the FBI Top Ten. He was openly living in Russia and in order to stop that backlog from the early to mid 2010s on the Top Ten List of not having many captures, they removed him with someone they could catch (Myloh Mason). I’m gonna also speculate that his removal also had to do with other affairs pertaining to Russia since it is around that time in September 2015, Russia started to get involved in Syria and most likely the FBI realized getting Mogilevich was going to be impossible given the crisis in Ukraine and Russian intervention in Syria and decided to remove him in December 2015. Sorry I know I got off track but it annoys me seeing that on Twitter everytime I search up FBI Ten Most Wanted. |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 29, 2019 23:32:35 GMT -5
Not sure how big news it would make, but probably significantly more post-Russiagate.
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Post by profiler24 on Jul 14, 2020 2:40:18 GMT -5
Not sure how big news it would make, but probably significantly more post-Russiagate. Mogilevich has a very strong ties in the russian judiciary system and with russian politicians and also has connections everywhere, I think that his connections go way deeper and are much more stronger than the ones the Italian mob has. Even the Italian mob is afraid of him. The russian political world won't change in the nearest future. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 6, 2020 4:01:25 GMT -5
Haven't seen the episode yet but just wanted to mention that Mogilevich is the subject of episode 4 of the new documentary series "World's Most Wanted" on Netflix.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 9, 2020 4:39:13 GMT -5
Finally saw the episode on Mogilevich of World's Most Wanted. Actually the most interesting of all the episodes I watched so far in my opinion, although it was confusing since they seemed to jump around in timelines as although technically it was the 2003 financial stuff that got him put on the FBI top ten list in 2009, it seems he's been wanted all over the world since the 1990s. They mentioned him also being allegedly involved in human trafficking, and being allegedly behind the bombing of an informant's car in Budapest in which 3 people were killed and 22 people were injured.
He was last seen at a funeral at a Russian Orthodox church in Moscow around several other people, seemingly hiding in plain sight without a care in the world.
They also show a BBC interview from before 2009 in which Mogilevich denies all the charges against him.
And they interview a man who worked for Mogilevich and mentions Mogilevich taking out rival groups leaders and killing their replacements as well. The man, when asked if he has ever killed anyone for Mogilevich, declines to answer on the grounds it could incriminate him in a trial.
And not to sound like a broken record, I hope it does not sound like I or we have ever underrated this case in any way.
This is a bad dude and perhaps the most evil and deadly guy in the world although others you can make an argument for.
It is just my opinion the FBI Most Wanted list should be mainly used for domestic cases where the fugitive can be caught via public tips such as someone recognizing them as a neighbor, co-worker etc... and/or where a country can feel pressure from publicity to acquiesce to extradition requests. I'm sorry if this a controversial statement, but it is my opinion, even if a guy is wanted for 5,000 murders if he is in a country that won't extradite him, it makes no sense to put him on the list. There was a reason El Chapo was never added when he was arguably the world's most deadly fugitive, because intelligence and investigative work was what was going to catch him, not being added to the list.
This is more a case where intelligence determining Mogilevich made a rare mistake and left Russia for a country where he can be arrested or making some sort of deal with Russia (which I understand seems laughable at the moment, and this would only happen if he had some sort of falling out in the country) would be the best uses to catch him as opposed to a list which for the most part is about public tips.
But no mistake, it was in my opinion, a mistake to add him to the top ten list, but it is not a mistake to say this is a very allegedly deadly and dangerous guy that deserves to face justice.
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